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Should there be an Alien-Predator Multiverse addressed by Twentieth Century Fox? 

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13 deviants said Yes, I think there should be an Alien-Predator Multiverse. It'd make everything organized.
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3 deviants said There already is an Alien-Predator Multiverse. The Timelines diverge in some areas.
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1 deviant said No, I don't think there should be an Alien-Predator Multiverse. The Timeline is consistent.

As much as I love the Alien-Predator franchises, including the AvP films— the only exception being Robert Rodriguez’s PREDATORS, as I felt that movie had happened to be a major piece of shit, and with the upcoming sequel by Shane Black on the way, I wanted to get the continuity of Alien and Predator off my mind as it’s been plaguing me for a while.

If you don’t like reading wall of text, see the TLDR; version below by scrolling down.

Originally, Alien and Predator were two separate universes which no connecting links in their respective individual canon around the time when the first Predator movie was around. The mythology of Aliens vs Predator hadn’t even started until 1989 when Dark Horse writer Chris Warner suggested the idea, and the concept was penned by Randy Stradley. The only connecting link was in a comic book until Predator 2, which was released in 1990 showed us an Alien skull in the trophy room as an Easter Egg, serving as a nod to the comics which were a major hit at the time.

For years, the concept of Aliens vs Predator was exclusive to the expanded universe material consisting of comics, novels, video games and even toys. But the thing is with Expanded Universe material, unlike Star Wars, there was no canon hierarchy and left fans to decide if it was canon or not. However it wasn’t until a single line uttered by Doctor Wren in Alien Resurrection, mentioning how the Xenomorph has been extinct for 200 years which seemed to negate a large portion of the EU.

That was later compensated and retconned with the Big Deletion concept in the comics, to maintain and preserve continuity. Or rather.. it attempted to do so anyway. Though with the reboot Fire and Stone comics on the way, it seems as if the comics are taking The New 52 route and establishing a new continuity while keeping some old elements from the previous comics.

Then in August 13th of 2004, the Alien vs Predator concept eventually saw limelight in the silver screen and fully established the links between the Alien franchise and the Predator franchise. 2007’s Alien vs Predator: Requiem continued the storyline and attempted to lead up to the events of Alien. A third movie was briefly discussed but nothing bore fruit.

In 2010, Twentieth Century Fox had collaborated with Robert Rodriguez to film PREDATORS, and there is some.. ambiguous continuity to where the movie fits in due to Rodriguez's statements and Antal's statements. Despite the film not contradicting or retconning Predator 2, or the AvP films, some fans have labeled the film as “Predator 3” and have placed the AvP films under the realm of fanon discontinuity while no official statement from Twentieth Century Fox has been made regarding the canon status of the crossover films.

2012 saw the release of the spin-off franchise and indirect prequel, directed by none other than Ridley Scott, Prometheus. Interestingly, Prometheus doesn’t seem to follow the same timeline as Alien vs Predator, the major contradiction being Peter Weyland and of course Weyland Corp. Mind you some in-universe promotional material does reference Weyland Industries (see David 8’s Marketing Video).

And of course, 2013 saw the release of Aliens: Colonial Marines which is somehow.. supposed to be canon despite the glaring plot holes and unanswered questions regarding Hick’s survival, and the contradicting plot points in the game. The game, much like the AvP films, has fallen into fanon discontinuity though is regard as canon by Fox.

So really.. What is canon as far as the Alien-Predator franchise goes? There doesn’t seem to be a sense of coherency within the overall media and fans are left to decide what is canon and what isn’t. But one thing is certain, the films are considered the source material and set in stone while the expanded universe serves as filler until contradicted by the films. However even this lack of coherency is present in the films with the release of PREDATORS and Prometheus.

PREDATORS was filmed in mind to ignore Predator 2 to AvP-R, and Prometheus was meant to ignore the AvP movies and serve as a spin-off and prequel to the Alien films. However neither movie has retconned the AvP films, only ignored them. In a sense, both films have done what Halloween: H20 and what Godzilla 1985 have done.. Ignore previous released films and establish new continuity. For the AvP films to be retconned, truly retconned out of canon— they would have to be written out intricately and cleverly, or simply declared by Fox to be non-canon. The Alien-Predator films don’t deal with time travel, so retconning them in the storyline wouldn’t be easy like with X-Men: Days of Futures Past, so the latter would make more sense but Fox like won’t address them.

Many fans seem to believe that there is a coherent singular timeline. This is even presented over at the timeline article over at Xenopedia. For a while, the singular timeline worked up until 2010 when PREDATORS was released and in 2012, Prometheus further skewed it. Therefore the singular timeline cannot work.

For a singular timeline to work, certain entries in the Alien-Predator media have to be removed but because Fox hasn’t stated the canon placement of these entries, it is a discombobulated mess and fans are left to figure out what is canon. This ultimately leads to personal canon.

I really think it would help the fandom as a whole to acknowledge and accept that there is more than one timeline rather than putting certain films into the realm of fanon discontinuity. The Alien-Predator franchises should have their continuity viewed similarly or the same way how the Halloween franchise has two different timelines, or how the Godzilla franchise has more than one timeline.

In fact, I wish the folks over at AvPGalaxy and Xenopedia adopt that idea because I think that’s what might be the case here. We have different timelines in the Alien-Predator franchise rather than a singular one and therefore should treat them as how the Halloween or Godzilla movies are treated. I think this idea should be spread around.

TLDR; The Alien-Predator continuity isn’t coherent. People saying the AvP films are non-canon is just nothing but fanon discontinuity. All the films are set in stone, while EU material is secondary filler. The singular timeline doesn’t work and shouldn’t be viewed as one but multiple timelines like how Godzilla and Halloween are viewed. The fandom needs to adopt this idea.

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:iconlordkal-el:
LordKal-El Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Gracias por el fav
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SonicLadiesMan11 Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Hey man I'm just asking this. Well yes I typed in Predator Shane Black on DA. I found my devation, some others and this heh heh. yautja-fury.deviantart.com/jou… I was looking in the comments below.....I'm gotta ask.....not to sound rude or anything? But what was with Predators? The honor thing okay and other things. Or maybe the fact of Super Predators.......which is pretty cool....yet still I wonder why.

Also hope your doing fine man cause now I could be changing my mind off a bit of Predators now. Heh heh....cause you know....I don't know why.....even feel like taking it off my ID interests.

Oh so you have heard the news of Robert not on AVP wait I mean this new Predator movie. I was about to say he was on it or whatever. Also I had posted a journal about it. Including I was just looking at AVP Galaxy randomly ha ha. But......you busy man? I don't wanna disturb if I am fine I can go not to sound rude..........hehe..ummm yeah. ^^;
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RakaiThwei Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014
My problem with PREDATORS was the fact that it was based off an originally very bad script which Rodriguez had wrote in 1994, ironically you can read the script in the downloads section of AvPGalaxy. The original script completely eschewed everything we know about the Predators, and pages 90 to 92 showed us a Predator giving a golden shower to Dutch and a character named Wilson. The fact that Rodriguez had wrote a scene with a Predator peeing on someone got me very worried. PREDATORS could've been a lot worse, but the ideas such as the preserve planet makes the idea of hunting on other worlds redundant, which is what the previous movies were about and the idea of the Super Predators really devalued the original creatures, so I believe. They were written in mind to upgrade something which didn't need upgrading. Change something very iconic.

I think I've been beating a dead horse with this enough, so I think I've said my peace about that particular movie rather quite enough. However seeing some comments on AvPGalaxy has given me some comfort in knowing that I am not the only one who dislikes this movie. I thought I was the only one but.. turns out I'm not. I know Drakhand006 doesn't like the movie, and I know that Bender18 doesn't like PREDATORS either but those two have their own reasons why.
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Drakhand006 Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I had to download the script after seeing this comment... and now I think I'm going to be sick... And the same fans who bash things such as human/pred pairings and hybrids loved Rodriguez's film... :no: I mean reading that even made me see AVP:R in a better light. It's prolly one of the worst things Predator related I ever read. May even be worse than Forever Midnight...
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RakaiThwei Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014
I really don't see the appeal of Robert Rodriguez's ideas for the Predator series. If anything his ideas show that they can be proven quite ruinous for the franchise, the only reason PREDATORS resembled the first movie (albeit poorly and served more as a homage film) was because Alex Litvak and Michael Finch completely cannibalized the original 1994 script and reworked on it. Heavily so to where it didn't even resemble the original, but Rodriguez did say he want to use more ideas from his 1994 script for the sequel. Which thankfully, PREDATORS may not be getting after all. Then again, we don't know what Shane Black and Fred Dekker's ideas are either but I am hoping that they bring back sense into the franchise after what PREDATORS left us with. Ugh.
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SonicLadiesMan11 Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Well I have read a bit of I think it could of been the script. Yes with Dutch, and a Predator King. Including where he kills the king with a spear or whatever. But a Predator peeing on someone okay not Dutch, and giving them a golden shower.......heh heh just WHAT!? :XD: I think I didn't read all of it, mostly speed read almost to the end man. Hmmmm you know that's interesting. Cause yeah it seems lazy. Or it could be the fact that the idea of Super Predators could be not to sound bad or anything. But better hunters well in other words stronger......but I see what you mean man. Iconic? Hmmm :iconspikeisthinkingplz: seriously your helping me change my mind a bit heh heh.

Seriously that shower scene....sounds...ugh. :XD: ^^; 0-0

You've said it man. ^^ And heh that Bender guy I watch him. So in a way from what I get your saying. The idea of Predators to you.....seems kind of lazy. Also the fact about Super Predators seems rid whatever. Cause you know......I seem to be disliking this movie more. Yet I don't seem to hate it. It was enjoyable to me. Yet it could be cause I'm not al that into a lot of the Predator stuff when I say I am. You know over all.......I'm guessing wow.....Predator 2.....could be better then Predators. 0-0 Heh heh....maybe the fact of that last scene showing that clan of Predators was enough to show their is a more evolved world of Predators. I've been wanting to try to read and see the original AVP comic book online. And maybe some others too like Predator ones as I think about it. So yeah I guess I can see why you dislike Predators I think I shouldn't question you again about it. Cause I feel I would be annoying. Okay yeah I really dislike AVP2R a lot......but the concept of the Cleaner is interesting....despite I do question some stuff heh.

Yeah I'm just rambling on. ^^;
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Drakhand006 Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
www.scified.com/site/predator/… I find this to make it somewhat more promising. Hopefully Rodriguez stays away from the franchise from now on.
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RakaiThwei Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2014
Yeah, I already read that over at Collider and it was even posted over at AvPGalaxy!

So far THAT reason is the only thing which has be cautiously optimistic about this movie... Let's hope it retcons the fuck out of PREDATORS.
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Drakhand006 Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Same here. Actually I hope it removes the bastard children of Cthulhu and Ganesha entirely (referring to the Super Predators since they have a squid head and elephant feet).
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RakaiThwei Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014
All I can say is, I hope Shane Black brings back some sense into this franchise. Whatever his ideas are, I just hope they mesh well with the Yautja concept.
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